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Magical Wedding CNY

Your wedding ceremony the way you want it!
5 out of 5 stars and 34 reviews
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Greater Central NY Region
Service area
5.0
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Vanessa made our special day so wonderful! The love story she puts together truly encapsulated our entire relationship, and I don’t think by the end there was a dry eye at the ceremony. She made our day one that we will never forget.
Olivia D.
5.0
We couldn’t have asked for a better wedding officiant! Vanessa took the time to personalize our ceremony and made it feel truly meaningful and unique to us as a couple. She made us feel comfortable throughout the entire process and helped make our ceremony one of the most special parts of our wedding day. We highly recommend them to anyone looking for an officiant who genuinely cares about making your ceremony memorable!
Erika R.
5.0

About this vendor

Vendor
Vanessa Milbyer
CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL WEDDING OFFICIANT | OWNER
Typically responds within 24h
Best of Weddings Award
AWARD WINNER (2X)
Thanks to recommendations from couples on The Knot
Based in Cicero, NY, Magical Wedding CNY and its sister company, CNY Event Collective, are dedicated to creating meaningful, personalized wedding experiences throughout the Greater Syracuse, New York area and beyond. Together, we offer couples the ability to create a wedding that feels completely and authentically their own—from a ceremony centered around their unique love story to thoughtful planning, coordination, and event management. Owner Vanessa Milbyer is a professional wedding officiant, writer, and event planning professional who believes that your wedding should be a reflection of who you are as a couple. Through Magical Wedding CNY, Vanessa and her team create personalized ceremonies inspired by each couple's story, personality, relationship, and vision. Through CNY Event Collective, she brings that same personal approach to wedding planning and coordination, helping couples bring all the details together while creating an experience that feels seamless and stress-free. At Magical Wedding CNY, love is love, and every couple deserves the opportunity to celebrate their marriage in a way that feels right for them. Your relationship, your partnership, your vision, and—most importantly—your love story is at the heart of everything we do, and the ceremony is truly yours. And when you need more than an officiant, CNY Event Collective is here to help bring the rest of your celebration together. From wedding planning and vendor coordination to timelines, logistics, design details, rehearsal support, and wedding-day management, CNY Event Collective helps couples navigate the many moving pieces of their celebration with confidence. Whether you are looking for an officiant to tell your love story, a planning partner to help bring your vision to life, or support with both, Magical Wedding CNY and CNY Event Collective are here to make your wedding experience personal, organized, and unforgettable. You have many choices when it comes to the professionals you invite into your wedding day. We are honored that you are considering us. Your time, your partnership, and your love story matter—and we can't wait to help you create something truly magical.
Woman-owned Business
3+ years in business
Speaks English
Small team (2-10 members)
Details
Ceremony Types
Civil Union
Commitment Ceremony
Elopement
Interfaith Ceremony
Non-Religious Ceremony
Religious Ceremony
Second Wedding
Vow Renewal Ceremony
Religious Affiliations
Christian
Catholic
Spiritual
Wedding Activities
Wedding
Ceremony
Awards and Affiliations
Best of Weddings Award
2-Time 'Best of Weddings'
2026.2025.
Why were they selected?
Best of Weddings
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Meet the team
  • Vendor
    Vanessa Milbyer
    Certified Professional Wedding Officiant | Owner
    Thank you for visiting Magical Wedding CNY! I grew up in Central New York and recently moved back after a decade away. I suppose it is true what they say - there's no place like home. Then I met my husband, and here we are. We love to golf in the summer and you can find us at many Syracuse University athletic events! As I was planning my own wedding, I realized that I loved everything about it, from the grandest to the smallest details, and I want to share that with others. I love the idea of uniting two souls together, so I was ordained as a minister to do just that.
Reviews
5.0
out of 5.0
34 reviews
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Vanessa is a professional, organized officiant who creates deeply personalized, emotional ceremonies by weaving couples’ stories and loved ones’ input into engaging scripts. She’s responsive, helps with planning and rehearsals, and coordinates smoothly with vendors. Guests rave that her ceremonies are memorable and heartfelt.
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Vanessa was absolutely outstanding and made our wedding day SO incredibly special and magical. We will forever cherish how seamless she made the whole process during the planning, ...
rehearsal and the ceremony itself on the day of. Her communication was outstanding the entire time and she was extremely organized throughout the whole process. Vanessa met with us whenever we needed/ wanted, set up a wedding workshop with us, set up a Google doc for the script of the ceremony, answered text messages or phone calls in a very timely manner and made sure everything was perfectly planned out as we dreamed of. Vanessa was diligent, did not skip a beat and helped with every detail of our wedding ceremony. Vanessa helped coordinate with all of our vendors, including our DJ for the ceremony music, our photographer and our venue to make sure everything went exactly as planned. It was such a beautiful day and we could not be happier to have been married by Vanessa, who will now be our lifelong friend. Vanessa has a bubbly personality and is so caring. I wouldn’t have wanted anyone else to effectively share our love story with our friends and family. She put together our love story so beautifully and she was so attentive on the day of our wedding to both the bride and the groom. We 10/10 recommend Vanessa and CNY magical weddings to be your officiant, they will not disappoint and it is the moments with your officiant that you will never forget!!!
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Oh my goodness! What a review! I am so happy that you and Geoff were happy on your wedding...
day! Lifelong friends indeed! Thank you so much!
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Vanessa made our special day so wonderful! The love story she puts together truly encapsulated our entire relationship, and I don’t think by the end there was a dry eye at the cere...
mony. She made our day one that we will never forget.
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Thank you Olivia! It was a perfect day and I was honored to be part of it! Wishing you all...
the happiness!
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We couldn’t have asked for a better wedding officiant! Vanessa took the time to personalize our ceremony and made it feel truly meaningful and unique to us as a couple. She made us...
feel comfortable throughout the entire process and helped make our ceremony one of the most special parts of our wedding day. We highly recommend them to anyone looking for an officiant who genuinely cares about making your ceremony memorable!
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I am so happy that you were happy with your ceremony! Wishing you all the happiness!
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We are so grateful to Vanessa for making our wedding ceremony so incredibly personal and meaningful. From the very beginning, all we wanted in an officiant was someone who could cr...
eate a sentimental ceremony while allowing our guests to truly get to know us as a couple, and Vanessa exceeded every expectation. She took the time to hear both of our versions of how we met, and the way she blended our stories together into our ceremony was so special. Listening to her tell the story felt like being transported back to that night and watching it all unfold like a movie. Every part of the ceremony felt intentional, personal, and completely “us.” Vanessa took everything we shared with her and turned it into the most beautiful script that perfectly captured our relationship. We could not have asked for a more thoughtful officiant and are so incredibly thankful she was such an important part of our wedding day!
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It was my absolute pleasure to marry you and Joe! Wishing you all the happiness!
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Vanessa was wonderful to work with as our wedding ceremony officiant. She is very professional, organized, and caring, and it's clear that she has a passion for and a commitment to...
her work. Vanessa was communicative, timely, and prepared. She was instrumental in leading our ceremony rehearsal, and she was an engaging speaker during our ceremony. We got a lot of compliments from our guests on how personalized and special the ceremony was. Thank you, Vanessa!
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I am so happy that y'all were happy with your ceremony! The pictures are so beautiful! Wis...
hing you all the happiness!
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Vanessa from Magical Wedding CNY was truly the perfect officiant for our wedding. She told our story with such care, warmth, and attention to detail that many of our guests said th...
ey felt like they genuinely knew us afterward. Working with her was a joy—she made the process of sharing our story easy, comfortable, and even meaningful for us as a couple. Our ceremony felt personal, heartfelt, and completely “us.” We couldn’t recommend her more highly!
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Thank you so much, David! It was my pleasure to tell your story. Wishing you and Emily all...
the happiness and love! Can’t wait to see pictures!
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We absolutely loved having Vanessa from Magical Wedding CNY as our officiant! From the very first meeting, she was warm, organized, and made us feel completely comfortable. She cre...
ated a ceremony that was so personal and meaningful — it perfectly captured our story and who we are as a couple. On the wedding day, Vanessa brought such calm, positive energy and helped everything flow smoothly. So many of our guests commented on how beautiful and heartfelt the ceremony was. We’re so grateful to have had her as part of our special day and couldn’t recommend her more highly to any couple looking for an officiant who truly cares about making your ceremony memorable and unique.
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Lauren, thank you so much for the review! I couldn’t have done it without you and Ian! Wis...
hing you all the best for an amazing life together!
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We had the pleasure of Vanessa officiating our wedding this past weekend. She was absolutely amazing, she was very prepared, and made the process so easy. She is so easy to talk to...
, and adds so much character to the ceremony. She does an incredible job getting to know the couple and creating a beautiful love story for you and your guests to hear. I highly recommend Vanessa to officiate your wedding. 
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Vanessa was amazing! The script she wrote for our ceremony perfectly captured our relationship and love story. It was very personal and everyone who attended our wedding was giving...
her compliments all night long! One of our guests even said it was one of the best wedding ceremonies they have ever attended!
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Paige! I'm not sure how this slipped by me without a thank you, so thank you! I am so happ...
y you were happy with your ceremony! Wishing you all the happiness!
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When looking for an officiant I wanted someone that could make our ceremony feel special and unique. Vanessa did just that! My husband and I absolutely love our unique “love story”...
that Vanessa wrote up and read during our ceremony. Not only was the ceremony unique to us, but Vanessa was so organized and professional that the coordinator at my venue couldn’t stop saying how amazing she was. Vanessa knows exactly how a ceremony should be structured and gave us lots of tips during our rehearsal so wedding day would go smoothly. She was on time and coordinated with our day of vendors so everyone knew how the ceremony would be going. I can’t recommend her enough and I’m so happy she married me and my now husband!
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Mary, thank you so much for your review! It was my absolute honor marrying you and Ben, an...
d the day was just perfect! I can’t wait to see the rest of the pictures! Wishing you all the love and happiness!
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We had the absolute pleasure of having Vanessa from Magical Wedding CNY as our wedding officiant, and we truly couldn't have asked for anyone better. From the very beginning, Vanes...
sa was incredibly organized, professional, and warm—she made the entire process feel effortless and stress-free. What stood out the most was how easy she was to work with. She took the time to understand us as a couple, our story, and what we wanted our ceremony to feel like. Every detail was thoughtfully planned, yet it all flowed so naturally, thanks to her calm and confident presence. On the big day, Vanessa delivered a captivating ceremony that was heartfelt, engaging, and truly memorable. Guests are still telling us how beautiful and personal the ceremony was—and that’s all thanks to her. She has a genuine talent for connecting with people and bringing just the right mix of emotion and joy to the moment. If you’re looking for someone who is not only reliable and professional, but also brings a touch of magic and meaning to your day, we can’t recommend Vanessa enough. She was a truly special part of our wedding, and we’re so grateful to have had her by our side.
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Oh my goodness, Holly! Thank you so much! It was my honor to marry you and Matt! Wishing y...
ou all the happiness!
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Vanessa did an absolutely amazing job of officiating our wedding! The script that she wrote captured our love story and incorporated input from our family and friends. I will defin...
itely be recommending her to my engaged friends.
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It was my absolute honor to marry you and Jordan! Wishing you a lifetime of love and happi...
ness!
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Our wedding ceremony exceeded our expectations in every way, and we've been to a lot of weddings. Vanessa of Magic Wedding CNY was instrumental in making our special day truly unfo...
rgettable. We were impressed by her initial video call, during which she showcased her incredible positive energy, warmth, and professionalism, making us feel comfortable and confident in her abilities. Friends and families commented positively on how our ceremony was a reflection of us, and this was all in part due to Vanessa style of telling our story.
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It was my absolute pleasure marrying y'all and having a special part in your day! Wishing ...
you both nothing but love and happiness!
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We hired Vanessa to officiate our wedding and it was totally the best choice. We received multiple compliments on the ceremony - there were moments filled with tears and laughter. ...
It was beautiful the way Vanessa put together our story so smoothly and helped us exchange vows. Vanessa makes the process on you easy and straightforward, which is so nice as you’re planning and coordinating with all the other vendors. Vanessa’s timeline was very detailed and thorough. I can’t recommend her enough!!
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Thank you Tess! It was my honor to marry you and Hunter! Wishing you all the best!
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Vanessa is absolutely amazing! The love story that she wrote for us was so beautiful! Everyone who attended the wedding said it was a beautiful ceremony. I couldn’t be happier! Lea...
ding up to the wedding Vanessa answered any questions we had promptly. She was easy to talk with and super fun. She really cares about you and making sure your ceremony is perfect.
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Magical Wedding CNY was incredible!! She brought the perfect personalized touch to our ceremony that we were looking for. She was able to tell our story in the exact way we wanted....
Her process is great as she met with us several times and was always available for questions. She is very knowledgeable and made the process so easy.
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Thank you Sarah! I’m so happy that you were happy with your ceremony. Wishing you and Will...
a lifetime of love and happiness! And I cant wait to see ceremony pics!
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Vanessa went above and beyond in officiating our ceremony! She was always approachable and patient with our questions, and provided ample details to help us feel comfortable even i...
n the early stages of planning. One of my favorite aspects of the planning process was that she reached out to our family & friends in the months leading up to the wedding to help add details to our ceremony script. Our ceremony was outdoors in truly unpleasant weather, and yet our guests were raving about the personalized script and excellent storytelling by Vanessa. We are so grateful to her!
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Allison, thank you so much! It was my pleasure to marry you and Ben. Wishing you both a li...
fetime of love and happiness!
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Vanessa did an amazing job officiating our wedding! She made sure our ceremony went smoothly and her level of professionalism throughout was superb. It was very special how she cra...
fted our love story by getting information from not only us, but also from our loved ones. You could tell she took a lot of time and care to weave bits and pieces together, to create a beautiful ceremony.
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Thank you so much! It was my absolute honor to marry you and Justin! Wishing you a life of...
love and happiness!
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We had the pleasure of working with Vanessa as our wedding officiant, and she was truly amazing. From the beginning, she was easy to communicate with, always responsive and attenti...
ve to our needs. Vanessa went above and beyond, attending our rehearsal and ensuring everything ran smoothly on the wedding day. She was organized and a joy to work with, and I highly recommend her to anyone looking for a officiant.
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It was my absolute pleasure to unite you and Genaro in marriage! Wishing you a life of liv...
e and happiness!
AvatarM
Vanessa was absolutely amazing!!! She is incredibly easy to work with, and did a great job helping organize everyone at the rehearsal, as well as, the day of the wedding! Her speec...
h at the ceremony was well thought out and totally personalized to us. Highly recommend!
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Thank you Marcy! You and Sean were so fun to work with and it was my pleasure to marry you...
! Wishing you all the love and happiness!
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Vanessa gave us a truly magical wedding. We still have guests telling us it was the best wedding they had ever been to, particularly referencing the ceremony and how they have nev...
er experienced a ceremony like it before. Vanessa, an expert storyteller, told our love story to our guests in such a way that they all felt they understood it and were now a part of that story. The ceremony was personal, and brought many to tears. I was personally blown away by how emotional it was listening to Vanessa describe our love story and sharing it with all of our family and friends. No one had experienced a ceremony like it before and they loved it! I feel like this is how all weddings should be! Vaness put in a lot of work ahead of time by providing the questionnaires she needed to get to know us and our story, she even spoke to some of our loved ones for their input as well. Vanessa met with us a few times to review our vision for the ceremony, provide her guidance, and ensure she understood how we wanted everything to flow. Vanessa was available for questions, promptly responded and gave us an experience like none other. We cannot recommend Vanessa enough to give you a magical wedding experience of a lifetime.
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Thank you so much, Virginia! It was so fun getting to know you and Ryan! Wishing you all t...
he love and happiness in the world!
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I would recommend Vanessa to anyone and everyone! She was absolutely phenomenal. If you want many of your wedding guests to tell you it was the most beautiful ceremony they’ve ever...
been to then she is right for you. Her attention to detail and genuine interest to learn about us to tell them best story possible blew us out of the water. They should add a 6th star to this rating.
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Matthew, it was my pleasure to marry you and Xiomara! Wishing you all the love and happine...
ss
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Vanessa was an absolute gem! We had the larger of her packages she offered. I’m so thankful to have found her to officiate our ceremony. She shared with our family the story of how...
we met and kept things light hearted but still so warm and endearing. Everyone was saying how much they loved our ceremony afterwards, that it was neat to hear about how we met and the testimonials she included. She was also open to adding whatever special ceremony traditions to her script too. We had a hand-fasting ceremony we wanted included and she got right on researching it and writing the appropriate script for it. I recommend her for literally any kind of ceremony you’d like to have!
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Thank you so much for your kind words, Hannah! It was my absolute pleasure to learn and te...
ll your story! I wish you and Conor a life of love and happiness!
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My husband and I just got married and after a while of searching for Officiants we thought would be a good fit, we found Vanessa. She is a fantastic person and very efficient. Duri...
ng our ceremony, we didn't feel rushed at all and she truly catered to our specific wants and needs. She was with us every step of the way for the planning process and made our lives so much easier. We cannot thank her enough for making our big day feel so special. If you're in need of an awesome person look no further.
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Thank you Mikki! It was my pleasure to tell your story! Wishing you and Wes a life of love...
and happiness!
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We cannot say enough AMAZING things about Vanessa. She was the perfect officiant for our wedding day! We may be a little bit bias, but it was by far one of the best officiating we ...
have seen at a wedding (and we also received hundreds of compliments from our guests as well). Vanessa really does a great job at capturing your love story and sharing it throughout your ceremony. Our ceremony was so personal and really captured our love story which made it absolutely perfect. I couldn't recommend Vanessa enough, she played a huge role in making our day absolutely perfect!
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Thank you so much for allowing me to be part of your day! I had so much fun writing and te...
lling your story! Wishing you and Jake a long life of love and happiness!
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We had a journey picking an Officiant for our wedding. When we got to connect with Vanessa we pretty much new we wanted to pick her just from the phone call we had. She did an outs...
tanding job on our Big Day! The best part honestly was how detailed she is about getting our story right and putting it together in a way that everyone at the wedding was quickly able to understand not just the love we have for each other, but also showing how unique and perfect we are for each other. She also did a great job adjusting with some last minute emergency decisions we had to make and made it as seamless as possible. she really did a beautiful job! And we couldn't be more thankful for her and the job she did for us. Would recommend 10/10!
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Thank you so much! It was my honor to marry you and Nicole! Wishing you a life full of lov...
e and happiness!
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Vanessa delivered the perfect ceremony! She worked hard to ensure that it was everything we wanted and more. She was so accommodating to any tweaks or requests, and she was always ...
so supportive and excited for us. The day of the wedding she was early and checking in with venue and musician to make sure the whole ceremony went off without a hitch. Her ceremony was so personalized for us that nearly everybody at the reception asked how we knew her outside of officiating. She brought a kindness and warmth to the whole process that made our special day unforgettable. We couldn't recommend her enough!
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Thank you so much, Doug! It was my honor to officiate for you and Alyssa! Wishing you both...
a life of love and happiness!
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Our experience with Vanessa was amazing from start to finish! She took the time to get to know us and used the questionnaires to make our vows personalized. She was very thorough a...
nd responsive to any questions that we had along the way. 10/10 highly recommend!
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I am so happy that I was able to give you and David the ceremony you wanted! Wishing you ...
a life of love and happiness!
AvatarM
I cannot say enough about Vanessa and how amazing she was as our officiant! She really gets to know you, and sends questionnaires to you and your family/friends to build you a uniq...
ue ceremony. Our ceremony was so special and heartfelt and had us in happy tears the whole time. She is so lovely and we are so grateful to her!
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Megan, it was such a pleasure to get to know you and Dyllan and I am honored to have had a...
place in your day! Wishing you all the best that life has to offer!
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Loved her love story! The in put from family and friends in her love story of us was very touching. She was the voice that made the ceremony happen, elegantly and beautiful. We are...
so happy we chose Vanessa, even our guests loved her!
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I had so much fun writing your story. Thank you for letting me part of your day! I wish yo...
u and Sam a life of love and happiness!
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Vanessa was fantastic. She helped us along the way so we knew what we needed for her and reminded us of our license and offered help with vows. With our first meeting she offered u...
s a package that would best suit us and didn't try to force on extra pricing for higher packages. She responded promptly when we had questions. An amazing experience!
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Thank you Brittany! It was my honor to officiate for you and Coty! I wish you all the happ...
iness and love in the world!
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Vanessa is AMAZING! From the moment we met her, we felt like she was a friend. She is so personable and willing to make any request happen. She was also willing to answer any quest...
ion (no matter how trivial!) via text or email with a quick response time. We feel so grateful to have been married by her and we are so thankful for her kindness, knowledge, and support throughout the entire process.
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It was my absolute honor to be part of your day! I wish you and Dan a life of love and hap...
piness!
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Not only was Vanessa a key contributor to our ceremony being as heart felt and sentimental as it possibly could be, but she helped ensure the ceremony flowed seamlessly from start ...
to finish. The planning sessions, rehearsal and day-of were all amazing. She takes the time to get to know you as a couple, does a great job wrangling in your people (a true accomplishment with our huge family lol), and delivering a beautiful ceremony. We are so lucky we found her and would recommend her to anyone getting married!
Response from Magical Wedding CNY
Thank YOU for letting me be part of your day! It was an honor! I wish you and Jaik a life ...
of love and happiness!
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Vanessa was such a wonderful officiant! We were lucky to stumble upon her, when I was "ghosted" by my previous officiant. Vanessa was very thoughtful and worked hard in a short tim...
e frame to give us the ceremony of our dreams. Her script was the perfect combination of descriptions of our relationship from our family and friends, our own version of our love story, a blessing and light humor mixed throughout. It was exactly what we envisioned. I would recommend Vanessa to any of my family and friends!
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I am so happy to have been a part of making your day perfect!
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